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Daniel Robbins <drobbins.daniel@gmail.com>
On 2/21/07, Ciaran McCreesh <ciaranm@ciaranm.org> wrote:
> I'm perfectly polite when I'm not replying to the dozenth deliberate
> attempt to derail something into which I have put a lot of effort...
Look, I don't want to waste everyone's time by dismantling in painful
detail the foolishness of what you just said, and how it is not an
adequate excuse for your behavior. Instead I'll just hit the key
points:
You can't just launch gratuitous insults at a developer when it
appears to be a helpful way to derail someone's totally valid
technical suggestions. This doesn't help Paludis, it doesn't help
Gentoo, it wastes your time - it helps NO ONE.
It's not just offensive to the person you just publicly humiliated,
but it's also a slap in the face to all of us who have put a lot of
work into making Gentoo a great and fun project to be a part of.
Frankly, it would also be a slap in the face if it turns out that no
one cares enough about the Gentoo community to remove you, and others
that behave like you, if there are any others, from our mailing lists.
Otherwise, a few are allowed to ruin the experience of all.
Also, talk about derailing Paludis - *your behavior* is what's
derailing the future of Paludis and making people uncomfortable with
your solo development style. I will not use Paludis, contribute to it,
or suggest that others use it simply because I don't like how you find
it so easy to shamelessly berate other people.
To have a successful open source project, you need to be at least
somewhat successful at getting along with people. You at least need to
try. You are not trying.
Also, Paludis looks like it is, overall, a well-designed
re-implementation of Portage, but I hope you don't think it's so
wonderful that you think you can act like a total jerk and expect the
project will be a long-term success. *No* project is that wonderful.
In fact, I would expect that the way you are acting will lead to
others working aggressively to try to ensure that Paludis becomes
irrelevant by the time it is completed. It's just human nature, and
human psychology and human nature typically drive open source
projects.
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-Daniel
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Andrej Kacian <ticho@gentoo.org>
"Daniel Robbins" <drobbins.daniel@gmail.com> wrote:
> On 2/21/07, Ciaran McCreesh <ciaranm@ciaranm.org> wrote:
> > Are you insane? What on earth could Jakub possibly contribute? If
> > you want a rough indication of Jakub's level of ebuild
> > understanding, take a look at bug 160328.
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> Is there any process in place to ban people from the gentoo-dev
> mailing list who are chronically verbally abusive and make no effort
> at all to be polite?
>
> We shouldn't have to put up with this.
Oh come on. Put up with what? He's just defending himself, and for the
record, I agree completely with his standpoint in this whole discussion.
It has already been established that EAPI spec is being worked on by
enough qualified people - how about everyone drops the subject and lets
them work in peace?
As for Ciaran bashing Jakub, I can't help but nod (and gasp at
some of Jakub's comments) - for quite some time now.
Regards,
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